Why TNA is stupid

[Liverlips McGee]

They rushed Angle-Joe without sufficient build-up. They should have had Angle have a bunch of squashes to start, some competitive but fairly dominant matches a couple months in, and keep him undefeated until he has run through everyone in the company but Joe. Then they battle with no titles, but plenty of pride on the line. Instead, they started fighting each other, and I have no idea why. TNA needs to start catering to the casual fans. Once they bring them in, that's when they will start having financial success.

[Quarez]

They've already thrown them together? God they're nothing but a bunch of idiots...

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Doing it now while it's still fresh in people's minds that this is one of the top WWE guys has it's benefits too. The win won't mean as much for Joe when Angle's a TNA guy.



This no quick reply shit is pissing the fuck out of me.

[Hawk]

None of it matters, because Jarrett will be in the title scene until he dies. Joe and Angle could possibly be a good fued for a while, but then Jeff will step in and screw with it.

[CoTT]

They're doing this already? That's a bit soon I would have thought. Isn't Puder rumoured to sign with TNA? They could have gone that route with Angle for a while.

[That Damn Alright]

They rushed Angle-Joe without sufficient build-up. They should have had Angle have a bunch of squashes to start, some competitive but fairly dominant matches a couple months in, and keep him undefeated until he has run through everyone in the company but Joe. Then they battle with no titles, but plenty of pride on the line. Instead, they started fighting each other, and I have no idea why. TNA needs to start catering to the casual fans. Once they bring them in, that's when they will start having financial success.

Did you ever start that booking job? Why don't you write to TNA saying you're a writer/booker for an indy fed and you can do their job better than them, then set out what you would've done? After all, you'll never get into a big company by writing stuff on here and hoping they spot you. Reach for the stars my son, reach for the stars and you'll get the moon.


Me? I want to be a motivational speaker/part time paedophile

[Quarez]

Did you ever start that booking job? Why don't you write to TNA saying you're a writer/booker for an indy fed and you can do their job better than them, then set out what you would've done? After all, you'll never get into a big company by writing stuff on here and hoping they spot you. Reach for the stars my son, reach for the stars and you'll get the moon.


Me? I want to be a motivational speaker/part time paedophile

So you're happy where you are at the moment?

And I agree with TDA on that one. Write to them tRipper!

[Liverlips McGee]

I'm not getting my fingerprints on that train wreck. As for that writing job, I found out after I started that it wasn't a job at all. It was a "writing school," complete with tuition, to the tune of $2,250. Knowing that 99.999999% of indy feds don't have a Creative team, I told Johnny Kashmere to take this school and shove it. I could have sworn I mentioned it on here.

Sluggz, it has its benefits, if Angle has some sort of track record in TNA. If he comes in and loses on his first match, that's not good at all for Angle. If he wins over Joe in his first match, that makes Joe and everyone he has beaten in TNA look second rate. If they would have done it my way, it could have conceivably been a way to make them both seem special, and protected both of them no matter who wins. Decisions like this and things like making Christian champion, especially as quickly as they did, is making TNA look second rate.

[FreshBase]

I agree with the fact that the Joe/Angle rivalry has been rushed and that the outcome of their match at Genesis is crucial so as to not to ruin their credibility. The only outcome that could happen in this match is a no contest.

[Liverlips McGee]

Exactly. And if they do that, they screw the fans who paid their money to see it. No-win situation.

[FreshBase]

At times TNA's booking is better than WWE, but this Angle/Joe situation has been poorly utilized. They should have waited about 2 months and really built up the feud through heated promos, run-ins and the like. They could have then stretched the feud through to early '07 and had at least 2 or 3 incredible matches between the two, but oh no, that isn't likely to happen now, as the feud will probably lose its appeal by january, and where does that leave Joe and Angle afterwards?

[FreshBase]

Isn't Puder rumoured to sign with TNA? They could have gone that route with Angle for a while.

The two have been issuing shoot challenges to one and other over the month, its been getting heated. Most recently, Angle responded with something to the effect of he would beat up Puder, then Angle would let his wife shit and piss all over Puder...nice...:)

[northeasternsports]

I agree with a few of you. While it is rushed, its also been said that they need to do it right away to keep the momentum of it going. Let's see what happens at Genesis, then ill have more to say.

[WCW DUDE]

No one books like Bill Farmatoo. He is the REAL booker in TNA, not Russo whom was brought here just for name value!

[Liverlips McGee]

So, I was sick last night and had to stay home, so I decided to watch TNA's show. I won't even comment on the rest of the show, including Petey Williams "saw it coming from a mile away" face turn. Let's focus on the last 1/2 hour. The whole main event scene is sickening. I mean, let's ignore the fact that Abyss sucks and Sting sucks and just concentrate on the booking. This Sunday, apparently Sting is defending his championship against Abyss. So, Angle makes his in-ring debut against Abyss and beats him, by submission, 100% clean. Yeah, that makes Abyss seem like a legit threat to the title. And then Angle and Joe had a mini-match after the fact, with Angle basically keeping Joe in his place, despite having just wrestled a 20 minute match. The way they are booking right now, the only person who is getting over is Angle. That is the wrong way to do things. Angle is already over. He needs to bring people to his level.

[Hawk]

^^I agree with what you guys are saying, but I think they can still salvage this situation. After last night when they made Angle look unbeatable, Joe has to win at the PPV! Beacause Angle will still be over.

[Liverlips McGee]

So, Angle won. By tapout no less. In addition to that, Abyss won the championship, three days after tapping out to Angle. In my humble opinion, if TNA wants people to believe that they are better competition than WWE, they need to stop doing stupid shit like this. Now no one will seem like viable competition to Angle, because the man who annihilated all of them has been beaten by a guy wrestling his second match in several months. Sure, it's an improvement from CHRISTIAN coming in and winning the title, but they are still making plenty of stupid decisions. Angle's job should not be getting over... it should be getting other people over. He hasn't done that yet, and it is going to be difficult to do on their current course.

[FreshBase]

Agreed. Abyss is supposed to be the legit monster of the TNA ranks, and yet he taps out to angle and then wins the title by DQ 3 days later, after getting fucked over by Sting and getting thrown off the stage into the barbed wire! Personally, the match between Angle and Joe should have ended in a no contest, then their second match should have resulted in a win for Angle via pinfall (making Joe tapout makes him look too weak for now) and then the rubermatch should be a win by Joe, allowing Joe to go onto win the NWA title because his push is getting in now, he needs the title now. Abyss can't draw at the moment, slap the belt on Joe TNA, sort it out.

[Liverlips McGee]

That's another thing: the DQ title win. It completely goes against all other fighting sports, and allows for super-cheap finishes like that of Sting-Abyss.

[Hawk]

As I said before, Joe had to win that match. He didn't, so Liverlips assessment of TNA is 100% correct. They could've gone on to the next PPV and had Stinger drop the belt to Joe. And since Kurt whooped Abyss already, everything would have been set up.

[Big T]

Sting is a fucking 50 years old emo punk ass bitch...i've just decided of that.

[. AceR]

I won't flame TNA until I see what their plotlines are, I don't think they let Angle get Joe to tap out so soon and have that as that, they have big plans for both guys.

[Liverlips McGee]

Actually, I don't think so at all. As I said at the beginning of this thread, TNA is stupid.

[FreshBase]

Angle Vs. Joe II at Turning Point should be good, Joe should get the win this time.

[Hawk]

If Joe doesn't win the next one, they should fire somebody. I don't know who, but they totally fucked this up!

[FreshBase]

I reckon Joe will win this one, by pinfall. If not, it could be a bull-shit no contest ending.

[Liverlips McGee]

Here's a question: why did Angle snub Joe's apparent handshake attempt at the PPV, and then he goes out on Impact and says "we'll watch out for each other until our rematch" et cetera? It's so stupid and boring and convoluted... no wonder nobody's tuning in.

[FreshBase]

Yep, there's no consistency in TNA's booking. Angle should have still refused for a re-match, and should have been forced into the match at Turning Point by Joe or some mangagement intervention bullshit.

[ThoraxCrusader]

I have it! yes!
There's only one way to save TNA's long term prospects and ultimately place them in a position to realistically challenge the dubya dubya E's dominance of the industry.
TNA must, and i repeat must directly copy the 1970's/80's style of programming presented by the World of Sport wrestling organisation. Infact no, fuck that they don't just need to copy it, they need to be it. Along with all your favourite 'super'stars from the era. Many of them are dead or incapicitated in some other way i hear you scream. Who gives a shit. I'd pay to see Big Daddy vs Giant Haystacks in a special 'Coffin vs Coffin death bomb 3000' stipulation matchup. The action would be breathtaking (literally).
Slow paced, boring, low-budget? No way!
Just think about it, Dave 'Fit' Finlay vs the Dynamite Kid in a 'who can have the most retarded sex with Little Bastard' match. Tasty young man!
In other words TNA must play WWE at their own game and present this level of wrestling entertainment for our televisual feastage.

[DecoyTantric]

Hey--who wants to come to Florida with me and write for these guys? Sounds like a cushy job to me.

"However it goes...this Sunday is the last match between Joe and I."--Angle (paraphrased) in his TV promo this past Thursday on Impact.

If Joe doesn't win this one, TNA should just opt out of his contract right then and there, because no push is going to get him out of that kind of burial. Oh, and while you're at it, start hyping up Joe v. Umaga.

[Liverlips McGee]

You know, the most heartbreaking thing about TNA's shitty booking job in 99% of their storylines is the fact that they really have the ability to become pretty decent competition to WWE. They have the primetime national TV platform, they have the advertisements, they have a couple talented performers, they have some names that casual fans recognize, and most importantly, they have a plethora of wrestling fans who are sick of the substandard television that WWE is producing. Unfortunately, they also have their head up their collective ass, and they are writing to satisfy the egos of people like Kurt Angle, who is apparently being a huge pain in the ass backstage, including saying that TNA is lucky to have him and he's doing them a huge favor and shit like that. With the right writers, and utilizing the bigger name talent correctly, TNA could be a pretty damn good wrestling promotion. Instead, they have had the wrestling world handed to them on a silver platter, and they dropped it, time and time again.

[CoTT]

Angle's ego seems to be growing and growing. Apparently he was telling some veterans how to work and it pissed off a few people behind the scenes. A lot of TNA workers probably do need tips on how to work, but not Angle tips, if you know what I mean. A load of suplexes followed by a ridiculous shoulder bump into the ringpost or something is not what they need to be doing.

[Big T]

Yeah it must be annoying although i'm sure we wouldn't hear any complaints if Ted Arcidi was giving advice to all the veterans because after all, Arcidi was fucking strong back in the day and that's all you need to be a successful wrestler.

You gotta be strong.

[uNDEAD]

Actually Kurtie went round the whole locker room telling everybody how to work their match. Guy's like Jay Lethal and Chris Sabin were stoked that the great Kurt Angle would take time in his busy life to tell them how to do shit that isn't shit but I can't imagine like guy's like Bub Buh Ray being impressed.

[SixSidedImpact]

From what I heard from a credible source Jarrett is the reason they rushed the Joe/Angle feud because he felt it would earn alot of publicity and cash to help take the show to the next level.(not sure what he means by next level)

[Liverlips McGee]

Way to bring back a thread that's been dead since early December, fucknut.

[Hawk]

Way to bring back a thread that's been dead since early December, fucknut.

Exactly...we've established, clearly, that TNA is fucking stupid.

[kendred]

its not as much stupid as is more boring.they do have a few good wrestlers a.j. styles, christian, rhyno, and a few others.first and fore most they need to stop the sting thing. and they have the man that destroyed wcw,vince russo as head of writting. thats the only reason they wont go anywhere.i wish that they would move to monday night and get a 2 hour show to have a good monday night war.thats what wrestling needs.the seed has been planted when kurt went to tna,just like hogan and brett going to wcw.i remember the days when we would flip channels just to see what they had going on. vkm has a good idea going with the dx thing. yeah they are doin an invasion thing like dx did to wcw. but when they called out shawn by his real name was a real low blow. and yeah i know i'm going to get shit for it,but damn wsx caught my eye,and they were better then tonights tna show. ohh well we all know that tna is like wcw, the wwe wil destroy, consume, and rip it apart.:mad:

[Liverlips McGee]

The Monday Night Wars are not going to happen again. WCW had Turner behind them, who is a wrestling mark, a billionaire, and the owner of many TV stations, all in one. TNA doesn't have the resources, in terms of finance, following, or talent, to compete with WWE. That's not even to start saying how stupid it is comparing Angle's move to Hogan's and Bret's respective jumps.

[Sadistikal]

They rushed Angle-Joe without sufficient build-up. They should have had Angle have a bunch of squashes to start, some competitive but fairly dominant matches a couple months in, and keep him undefeated until he has run through everyone in the company but Joe. Then they battle with no titles, but plenty of pride on the line. Instead, they started fighting each other, and I have no idea why. TNA needs to start catering to the casual fans. Once they bring them in, that's when they will start having financial success.

In perhaps another angle I might be inclined to agree with you. But let's face it they couldn't have hyped the match anymore than they did whether they waited six months into Angle being in TNA or a year and a half. They wanted Angle to come in with a bang to launch his new beginning and start there, and whether you think it or not Samoa Joe was the best guy there to help that happen. Samoa Joe was undefeated and viewed the best mat wrestler on the roster. Comparing that with Angle's impressive list of accomplishments in the wrestling world both on the amateur level and pro level, it was a natural great feud in the making. Not to mention Angle is viewed currently as the best wrestler of this generation.

There was nothing TNA could have done that they didn't already do to build the match to its fullest level of expectation now or later.

[adrock2099]

Not to mention Angle is viewed currently as the best wrestler of this generation.

LooL

[Sadistikal]

LooL

Hey laugh all you want, but it's a pretty hard statement to argue with. Lou Thesz which is probably the best wrestler of all time said it before he died and Bret Hart said it as well about Kurt Angle. Kurt Angle doesn't have the best mic skills nor the best creative gimmick, but he can perform in the ring almost like no other because he has a history in wrestling few have traveled and can match.

[adrock2099]

Kurt Angle is a good actual wrestler. He's got a gold medal. If that's what you meant, then yes, it can be argued that he's one of the best. Now, if you're referreing to his PROFFESIONAL wrestling skills, then I really have to disagree with that statement. He's got no ring psychology whatsoever. His moves don't make any sense. If his finisher is an ankle lock, why does he rarely do moves that focus on the legs? His matches consist of a bunch of MOVES!1 then a retardedly fake looking bump, then some kind of reverse into an ankle slam. He's just as predictable as Cena.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Hey laugh all you want, but it's a pretty hard statement to argue with. Lou Thesz which is probably the best wrestler of all time said it before he died and Bret Hart said it as well about Kurt Angle. Kurt Angle doesn't have the best mic skills nor the best creative gimmick, but he can perform in the ring almost like no other because he has a history in wrestling few have traveled and can match.



Kurt Angle isn't even the best pro wrestler in TNA.

[Sadistikal]

Kurt Angle is a good actual wrestler. He's got a gold medal. If that's what you meant, then yes, it can be argued that he's one of the best. Now, if you're referreing to his PROFFESIONAL wrestling skills, then I really have to disagree with that statement. He's got no ring psychology whatsoever. His moves don't make any sense. If his finisher is an ankle lock, why does he rarely do moves that focus on the legs? His matches consist of a bunch of MOVES!1 then a retardedly fake looking bump, then some kind of reverse into an ankle slam. He's just as predictable as Cena.

Angle has no ring psychology eh? Yet tons of guys from The Undertaker to Chris Benoit to Triple H.....etc. claim he has one of the best mat minds in the business today. Also to impart some logic and reality here for a moment, Angle doesn't have to work over the ankle before applying the ankle lock considering the ankle is the weakest part of the leg to break with ease. Angle is predictable in the ring yes, but then again name a wrestler nowadays that isn't, especially in the WWE. Angle can do a lot more than they allow him to perform in the ring. Those days of letting wrestlers go at it and make their own matches once in front of the people are long gone. You're not going to see epics like Flair and Steamboat in New Orleans back in 1989 where you barely saw the same move twice today in wrestling. Wrestlers matches are perfectly mapped out in what to do today because they know what will sell and get pops in the ring from people. So damn near every match you see today is predictable in movement because they don't promote variety in talent ability today.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

"Best mat minds...." Angle doesn't do anything on the mat except for the ankle lock.


"Angle can do alot more than they allow him..." I fucking hate when people say shit like this. "CHRISTIAN AND MATT HARDY ARE BEING HELD BACK" they go to fucking ROH and stink up the place. Kurt Angle has been painfully average in TNA. Dream match of the decade ended up being a fucking joke.

I don't care what wrestlers say of other wrestlers. Ric Flair says Shawn Michaels is the best wrestler of all time. Bret Hart says Teddy Hart is an amazing wrestler, etc etc. I say that Shawn Michaels is overrated, and Teddy Hart is a peice of shit.

The wrestler in my sig is roughly 19230083483020 times better than Kurt Angle.

[Sadistikal]

"Best mat minds...." Angle doesn't do anything on the mat except for the ankle lock.


"Angle can do alot more than they allow him..." I fucking hate when people say shit like this. "CHRISTIAN AND MATT HARDY ARE BEING HELD BACK" they go to fucking ROH and stink up the place. Kurt Angle has been painfully average in TNA. Dream match of the decade ended up being a fucking joke.

I don't care what wrestlers say of other wrestlers. Ric Flair says Shawn Michaels is the best wrestler of all time. Bret Hart says Teddy Hart is an amazing wrestler, etc etc. I say that Shawn Michaels is overrated, and Teddy Hart is a peice of shit.

The wrestler in my sig is roughly 19230083483020 times better than Kurt Angle.

Well what the wrestlers think of other wrestlers is often times important to acknowledge. Fact is Kurt Angle is one of the top respected wrestlers in the business today, PERIOD. Like him or not, think he's overrated or not, HE IS one of the best around today. Not everyone that wrestles him that gives him praise can be wrong. Kurt Angle will always be a Superstar in the business that is average because he doesn't have the total package of what makes a star in the sports entertainment world today. He goes out there and wrestles and sells matches, and I think most people have forgotten that's what made wrestling the household name it is today was by doing that.

As for Shawn Michaels being overrated. I always laugh when someone says that and people have been saying it for plenty of years since he got over. Fact is though despite he might be a self serving asshole behind the curtain that stepped on a lot of people to get where he is today, he has earned his spot and kept it. He broke his back literally for the business and for entertainment purposes. And you can't argue with his athleticism, be real. His character and gimmick are a bit out of date and maybe even hokey, but that has nothing to do with his athletic ability and uncanny sense of sacrifice he has for the business.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Is this shit serious?

"Well what the wrestlers think of other wrestlers is often times important to acknowledge. Fact is Kurt Angle is one of the top respected wrestlers in the business today, PERIOD. Like him or not, think he's overrated or not, HE IS one of the best around today. Not everyone that wrestles him that gives him praise can be wrong. Kurt Angle will always be a Superstar in the business that is average because he doesn't have the total package of what makes a star in the sports entertainment world today. He goes out there and wrestles and sells matches, and I think most people have forgotten that's what made wrestling the household name it is today was by doing that. "


WHERE ARE THE MATCHES THAT MAKE HIM THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS TODAY? Benoit carried his lost ass through his best match. He was lost 20 minutes into his Iron Man with Brocky MiaLesnar. He failed to deliver with one of the best fucking wrestlers in the country in the "dream match of the decade".

Sure, he's had some great matches, no denying that. Vs Taker on Smackdown being the most recent... But one of the best today? Misawa is fucking 46 and 95% of his matches fucking destroy anything Angle has done. Danielson is better than Angle, Joe is better than Angle, fucking Roderick Strong is better than Angle, KENTA, Marufuji, Tanahashi, Kanemoto, BENOIT, fucking FINLAY, Dennis Rodman, McGuinness, Morishima, Akiyama, MOTHER FUCKING AKIRA TAUE.

Don't even get me started on fucking Michaels. "Let's cut up Hogan and Cena for having the same finishing sequence, Michaels doing it is okay though, BECAUSE ITS ACCEPTED TO LIKE MICHAELS...." I am going to cut you.

[Sadistikal]

Is this shit serious?

"Well what the wrestlers think of other wrestlers is often times important to acknowledge. Fact is Kurt Angle is one of the top respected wrestlers in the business today, PERIOD. Like him or not, think he's overrated or not, HE IS one of the best around today. Not everyone that wrestles him that gives him praise can be wrong. Kurt Angle will always be a Superstar in the business that is average because he doesn't have the total package of what makes a star in the sports entertainment world today. He goes out there and wrestles and sells matches, and I think most people have forgotten that's what made wrestling the household name it is today was by doing that. "


WHERE ARE THE MATCHES THAT MAKE HIM THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS TODAY? Benoit carried his lost ass through his best match. He was lost 20 minutes into his Iron Man with Brocky MiaLesnar. He failed to deliver with one of the best fucking wrestlers in the country in the "dream match of the decade".

Sure, he's had some great matches, no denying that. Vs Taker on Smackdown being the most recent... But one of the best today? Misawa is fucking 46 and 95% of his matches fucking destroy anything Angle has done. Danielson is better than Angle, Joe is better than Angle, fucking Roderick Strong is better than Angle, KENTA, Marufuji, Tanahashi, Kanemoto, BENOIT, fucking FINLAY, Dennis Rodman, McGuinness, Morishima, Akiyama, MOTHER FUCKING AKIRA TAUE.

Don't even get me started on fucking Michaels. "Let's cut up Hogan and Cena for having the same finishing sequence, Michaels doing it is okay though, BECAUSE ITS ACCEPTED TO LIKE MICHAELS...." I am going to cut you.

Okay first of all I don't think Kurt Angle is the best wrestler SOLELY today. I'm not a HUGE die hard fan of his. But I'm not oblivious to his work in the business and how good he is. If you like others more than Kurt Angle, that's fine, hell I like other wrestlers more than him. But the fact 98.9% of the guys that wrestle him always praise him heavily afterwards for being a good wrestler, that says something to me. I think Angle gets an unrealistic rap sometimes. And don't make me fucking laugh trying to blame the downfall of that Ironman match on Angle. Lesnar didn't exactly perform top notch that night either. Fact of the matter was it was probably the worst Ironman match I ever saw and I know others feel that way too. Lesnar is not exactly a wrestling move encyclopedia himself. They were not the two ideal guys to put in an Ironman match together to expect it to sell to the people, and it didn't. So the fact it sucked is a fault they both must share.

And if you deny Michaels athletic ability through his career then this conversation is over as far as I'm concerned. I mean that's just stupid to deny the guys athletic ability and discount its existence when you see it because he has a dumb predictable way of warming up to a finisher. Give me a break.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

What the fuck do I care about athletic ability? When did athletic ability become equal to wrestling ability? Is Jack Evans the best wrestler that ever lived because he can do a 630 splash? HE CAN DO A KIP UP!!!!!! SHELTON BENJAMIN CAN RUN UP A LADDER HES THE BEST WRESTLER OF ALL TIME!!!!!!

I like when a wrestler can make things realistic. Go watch Stan Fucking Hansen with his beer gut and walrus moustache beat up Kenta Kobashi and tell me it's not better than Shawn Michaels DOING SOME ATHLETIC STUFF!


And Lesnar had potential to be much, much better than Kurt Angle.

[Sadistikal]

What the fuck do I care about athletic ability? When did athletic ability become equal to wrestling ability? Is Jack Evans the best wrestler that ever lived because he can do a 630 splash? HE CAN DO A KIP UP!!!!!! SHELTON BENJAMIN CAN RUN UP A LADDER HES THE BEST WRESTLER OF ALL TIME!!!!!!

I like when a wrestler can make things realistic. Go watch Stan Fucking Hansen with his beer gut and walrus moustache beat up Kenta Kobashi and tell me it's not better than Shawn Michaels DOING SOME ATHLETIC STUFF!


And Lesnar had potential to be much, much better than Kurt Angle.

Dude I've seen Stan Hansen wrestle tons of times. All he does is brawl, and who gives a shit about that? If I want to see brawling I can go to my neighborhood bar for that. He only fits in a class of what thousands of other wrestlers cut from the same mold. It's nothing special to see someone go into the ring and beat their opponent senseless. I saw Bruiser Brody do it tons of times and Fritz Von Erich....etc. And Michaels does have wrestling ability. Even though I was more for Bret Hart at the Wrestlemania 12 Ironman match, if anyone objectively keeps score check they have to be real and say that Michaels out wrestled Bret Hart that night. Not by much, but he did do it nonetheless. I'm old school and like to watch wrestlers that have athletic ability whether it means coming off the ropes doing something cool or wrestling on the mat in a great way with bags and bags of moves being displayed.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Wrestlers having athletic ability isn't old school, you dope. "Oh that's brawling and who cares about that?" Gee whiz, you do realize Kurt Angle is a fucking brawler, right? And Michaels.

Good Christ. This guy knows how to spell and type, but he really doesn't get "it".

[Sadistikal]

Wrestlers having athletic ability isn't old school, you dope. "Oh that's brawling and who cares about that?" Gee whiz, you do realize Kurt Angle is a fucking brawler, right? And Michaels.

Good Christ. This guy knows how to spell and type, but he really doesn't get "it".

Wrestlers having athletic ability isn't old school? Gee what do you call wrestlers like Lou Thesz and Vern Gagne then? Those guys were in great athletic shape. For the day and time of what wrestling demanded on wrestlers back then they were considered to be athletic. But is it athletic compared to the breed of wrestlers that came out in the 80's though? Of course not. That's apples and oranges though. And I wouldn't list Kurt Angle in the same class of a wrestler being a brawler like Stan Hansen. You can type but you're not even being realistic in a comparison. What makes Kurt Angle a brawler? What because he is an olympic gold medalist that throws a punch often in the ring? LoL, get real. I can probably count on one hand how many times I've seen Stan Hansen do a fucking arm bar on someone.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Stan Hansen didn't do arm bars to wear down people's arms. He wrapped them around ropes and kicked them, he hit them with TV Monitors. He dropped knees on them. Hansen doing an arm bar? Not likely. Hansen doing a fucking tope? Yes. Hansen dropping powerbombs, backdrop drivers, dropkicks, DDTs, piledrivers, powerslams, and the most bad ass strikes EVER in wrestling? Yes.


So Kurt Angle does a Hammerlock and that changes the fact that he's as kick-punch as any WWE Main Eventer has been in the last 10 years?

Stan Hansen formula. Kick, punch, slap, move, elbow drop, kick, kick, punch, move, move, kick, elbow, punch, slap, move, move, move.

Kurt Angle works under the same formula. As does almost every Main Eventer in the last 10 years that made money. Even Benoit works a brawling style now.

So let's get this straight, you love brawlers if they have muscles and look athletic, if they don't have a million dollar body, PAH. You love when guys can "Come of the ropes" and "Wrestle on the mat", but not if they're coming off the second rope with an elbow (Hansen spot) or doing bionic elbows to the top of the head before sinking in a sleeper, or rear chin lock (Hansen spot). You believe Kurt Angle and Shawn Michaels are two of the greatest wrestlers of all time, but nobody gave a shit what Stan Hansen did in the ring, yet these people that didn't give a shit about Hansen gave a shit about Verne Gagne and Lou Thesz. You love Kerry Von Erich who probably did less moves in a 60 minute broadway than Bruiser Brody in a 10 minute squash, but again, nobody gives a shit about Brawlers.


OH YEAH, and Kurt vs Lesnar sucked because Kurt couldn't carry Lesnar like Benoit carried him, right?

[Sadistikal]

Stan Hansen didn't do arm bars to wear down people's arms. He wrapped them around ropes and kicked them, he hit them with TV Monitors. He dropped knees on them. Hansen doing an arm bar? Not likely. Hansen doing a fucking tope? Yes. Hansen dropping powerbombs, backdrop drivers, dropkicks, DDTs, piledrivers, powerslams, and the most bad ass strikes EVER in wrestling? Yes.


So Kurt Angle does a Hammerlock and that changes the fact that he's as kick-punch as any WWE Main Eventer has been in the last 10 years?

Stan Hansen formula. Kick, punch, slap, move, elbow drop, kick, kick, punch, move, move, kick, elbow, punch, slap, move, move, move.

Kurt Angle works under the same formula. As does almost every Main Eventer in the last 10 years that made money. Even Benoit works a brawling style now.

So let's get this straight, you love brawlers if they have muscles and look athletic, if they don't have a million dollar body, PAH. You love when guys can "Come of the ropes" and "Wrestle on the mat", but not if they're coming off the second rope with an elbow (Hansen spot) or doing bionic elbows to the top of the head before sinking in a sleeper, or rear chin lock (Hansen spot). You believe Kurt Angle and Shawn Michaels are two of the greatest wrestlers of all time, but nobody gave a shit what Stan Hansen did in the ring, yet these people that didn't give a shit about Hansen gave a shit about Verne Gagne and Lou Thesz. You love Kerry Von Erich who probably did less moves in a 60 minute broadway than Bruiser Brody in a 10 minute squash, but again, nobody gives a shit about Brawlers.


OH YEAH, and Kurt vs Lesnar sucked because Kurt couldn't carry Lesnar like Benoit carried him, right?

I don't consider Kurt Angle a brawler. Stan Hansen? Yes. Bruiser Brody? Yes. Brawlers in the business to me are guys that basically don't do any prominent mat work at all like WRESTLE. And Bruiser and Hansen were not ground workers, that's a fact. Angle had to change his ring presence to make WWF happy. You look at how Angle wrestles today, it's not the same as how he wrestled when he first came into WWF. Like I said, WWE doesn't give a shit about wrestlers that can work and sell matches on the mat that's why they had him change. And that's why he left, because he didn't like what they were doing with his character.

And don't put fucking words in my mouth. If you could stick to what is actually said by me and comment on that I'd appreciate it. I NEVER said Michaels was one of the best wrestlers of all time. I merely said it's stupid that people deny his athletic ability in the ring when it's obvious to anyone who is objective that watches him that he has a lot of it. People condemn Shawn Michaels for the most insignificant things, because of his playboy type persona he had way back, and how he strutted like some male stripper....etc. It was a little lame, but none of that means anything when the bell rings. The guy could perform and he was and still is very athletic considering everything his body has been through.
As for Kerry Von Erich, well I never claimed Kerry was a spectacular wrestler. Kerry had a larger than life persona about him and amazing charisma most guys in the business can only dream of. He could wrestle on the mat fairly if he had to, and he was good enough to sell it when need be. But I'll be the first to admit he threw a lot of punches incessantly in a lot of matches instead of doing other stuff sometimes.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Kurt Angle left because he was a pill popping maniac and his body couldn't handle working the WWE's amount of dates anymore.

STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH DOOD I DIDNT CONDEMN MICHAELS FOR HIS PERSONA GAWD LOL

"Still is very athletic" WHAT THE FUCK? Is Jack Evans your favourite wrestler? Elix Skipper? Shelton Benjiman? Petey Williams? MOVES~! Jenkins?

Angle does not wrestle differently in TNA, unless you mean more underwhelmingly. Again, Dream Match of the Decade? More like Underwhelm Me With Meatloaf AGAINNNNNNN!

[Sadistikal]

Kurt Angle left because he was a pill popping maniac and his body couldn't handle working the WWE's amount of dates anymore.

STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH DOOD I DIDNT CONDEMN MICHAELS FOR HIS PERSONA GAWD LOL

"Still is very athletic" WHAT THE FUCK? Is Jack Evans your favourite wrestler? Elix Skipper? Shelton Benjiman? Petey Williams? MOVES~! Jenkins?

Angle does not wrestle differently in TNA, unless you mean more underwhelmingly. Again, Dream Match of the Decade? More like Underwhelm Me With Meatloaf AGAINNNNNNN!

Hahaha, yeah that was WWE's reason for why Kurt Angle left. What a surprise! They tried to bury his name after he left. They do that with everyone because the business is a shoot. Angle had a different story, and I'm not likely to believe his reasons. They tried to bury Warrior's name too when they had the fallout with him. And if you're not dogging Michaels because of his persona, then what is left for you to dog him on? And yes all those guys you named are very athletic wrestlers with a lot of great high flying moves. I can admit that even though I'm not particular fans of theirs.

But everyone knows Angle lied about his reasons for leaving the WWE so he could get out of his contract and wrestle for TNA. Also I've never found anyone that could tell me how the match between Samoa Joe and Angle failed so miserably. I don't think it was ever their intention to make it the match of the decade, it was just a nice way to build it.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Here was highlights of an interview with Angle and he mentioned something about Christian and Cena.

Live Audio Wrestling recently interviewed Kurt Angle, here are the highlights:

- He said in WWE, he was on the road for about 300 days per year. He wanted to either reduce his schedule and work part time or quit.

- Angle said he called for the meeting with Vince McMahon. He said he was tired of working hurt.

-He said he showed Vince his lower body which had black and blue marks from hip to hip. According to Angle, Vince said, “I guess you won’t be wrestling in the triple threat ladder match tonight.”

- When Angle wanted the meeting, Vince kept avoiding him.

- Angle felt trapped by his contract, and told Vince that he felt like he was going to kill himself. He said Vince threw the $30 million MMA contract offer back in his face, and released him. He feels Vince saw liability, and decided to grant his release.

- Angle said he and John Cena were the most productive wrestlers in WWE.

- Angle wanted to just do television and PPVs in WWE, which of course Vince didn’t want any part of.

- Vince told Angle to take six months off, and come back re-sign with him, and Angle agreed. Angle said his plan was to jump to TNA.

- “Vince Russo is the best writer in wrestling,” said Angle.

- Angle said he isn’t involved in creative, but does offer his opinions as he feels necessary. He said if they wanted him to be apart of creative, he would do it.

- He said TNA is looking to get a two hour time slot by year’s end. He said a one hour television show is really 42 minutes.

- Angle said TNA has talents they haven’t even introduced yet that are better than most WWE’s main eventers, and are holding off until they get the extra TV time.

- He feels Christian never got a chance in WWE because of the perceived lack of size. He feels Christian is as good if not better than Edge. Angle said WWE could have been made money with Christian.

- He said Cena is a very hard worker, but not a very good wrestler.

- “I think Batista is horrible,” said Angle. He said Batista is a product of Vince’s fetish with big guys.

- He said he would rather have Samoa Joe over Cena or Batista.

Source: prowrestling.com


"Vince Russo is the best writer in wrestling." Yeah, and somebody that isn't a pill popping maniac would say that.

Kurt/Joe was supposed to be THE TNA MATCH. It sucked. Big failure.

[Sadistikal]

There's a lot of different variations of the story between Angle and the WWE. I do believe he suffered from massive depression from being away from his family, and yeah he probably did take some prescription drugs to cope with it. But WWE has kind of made it sound like he was a drug addict of some sort, and I think they did that because of how he left the company in the underhanded way he did. I recall one of the stipulations for him signing with TNA that sealed the deal was that they told him they would make sure he would always be able to spend time with his family when he needed to.

But no Vince Russo is not a good booker. I remember how he ran WCW into the ground with his ideas towards the end of their existence. He was trying to make them more adult oriented like the WWE and that didn't work. The roster by that point sucked anyway, so there wasn't a lot to work with.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

So you're not going to acknowledge the fact that Angle left because he was fucked up and he couldn't keep up with all of the dates anymore? Or are you still thinking he left because of the way his character was being portrayed?

[That Damn Alright]

Stop posting such long posts to each other. I like a good argument but I can't be bothered to read mini-essays for the insults.

[Sadistikal]

So you're not going to acknowledge the fact that Angle left because he was fucked up and he couldn't keep up with all of the dates anymore? Or are you still thinking he left because of the way his character was being portrayed?

I think he was probably fucked up, but not to the extreme he made them think. You have to keep in mind, it was no time at all after he was let out of his contract with the WWE he signed with TNA and started wrestling and doing small spots. I think he played the pitty card on WWE and sensationalized his problems to new heights so he could jump ship. They said on Raw he was taking time off to just collect himself and get things together, and since he didn't know when he would be back they just let him out of his contact. But yet he's on TNA less than a month later ready to wrestle.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Fuck Angle for giving fanboys one more thing to brag about, and being more underwhelming than TDA's penis after an hour of foreplay.

[adrock2099]

I think what everyone should take away from this discussion is that Johnny has had some type of foreplay experience with TDA's wiener.

[CoTT]

And that's as sadistikal as it gets.

[Big T]

I hope it wasn't a slopdrop instead of a cumshot in the end.