Who would win a real fight?

[Bishop]

No scripts, no booking, no jobbing, just a straight shoot fight. Who could kick everyone else's ass in a real life no-holds-barred scrap?

[That Damn Alright]

Are we talking anyone in the world? Because Andrei Arlovski or Tim Silva would have a shout in that. If we're talking wrestling, Big Show, that big indian guy, or Kurt Angle.

[adrock2099]

Hardcore Holly.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

"Because Andrei Arlovski or Tim Silva would have a shout in that."


They have a shot of being able to take anybody in the entire world?


Nah.

[The Former Member]

me you son of a bitch

[Real Deal]

In terms of wrestling, I think Lashley or Angle, they are the best "Real" wrestlers there if it came to a graple they would probably win.

In a real fight my bets with Orlando Jordan, he has boxing experiance,( i remeber hearing he had won golden gloves) so he would probably fuck the whole locker room up,

[CoTT]

Hardcore Holly.

You said it.

[Liverlips McGee]

Scotty 2 Hotty.

[Lethal]

Arlovski. No doubt.

[-_-]

The real question is "Who would win in a fight between the Great Khali and The Big Show.

[Super Crazy]

Is this even a debate?

Steve Blackman, obviously.

[CoTT]

The real question is "Who would win in a fight between the Great Khali and The Big Show.

CoTT's Shit Joke of the Day:

...the buffet table. :D

[Real Deal]

CoTT's Shit Joke of the Day:

...the buffet table. :D

wouldn't the buffet table lose?

[CoTT]

Is the glass half full or is it half empty?

(I would say the glass is half full if no-one's drank from it and that it's half empty if someone's taken a few swigs or spilt some from it.)

[CrazySauce]

Johny from the Spirit Squad would kick some major booty.

[Real Deal]

Is the glass half full or is it half empty?

(I would say the glass is half full if no-one's drank from it and that it's half empty if someone's taken a few swigs or spilt some from it.)

half full, if your an optimist

half empty, if your pessimist

[Jatycre]

half full, if your an optimist

half empty, if your pessimist



That theory is way too simpleminded to work. Besides half the people in the world think just like COTT said, and the other half.... well you get the idea.

[CrazySauce]

All I know is that when I'm eating at a restaurant and done with my meal, they ask me if I want a refill. I want some more but I don't think I'll drink the whole thing so I say fill it up half way. Then when they bring my drink back it is always 3/4's filled up.

[Quarez]

The real question is "Who would win in a fight between the Great Khali and The Big Show.

Chuck Norris. Every time a fight is won anywhere, Chuck Norris gets royalties, so in a way he always wins!

[Painfullbliss]

I think the undertaker would win a real fight but thats probably just because im a very big taker fan and theres no reason to find out if the glass is half full or half empty its just going to get drunk anyway

[That Damn Alright]

"Because Andrei Arlovski or Tim Silva would have a shout in that."


They have a shot of being able to take anybody in the entire world?


Nah.

They'd have a shout. There's probably tougher heavyweights out there, but they've got to be in the top 0.1% of hard human beings.

[CoTT]

Chuck Norris. Every time a fight is won anywhere, Chuck Norris gets royalties, so in a way he always wins!

In all fairness, we've all given up on Chuck Norris jokes a long time ago. You should too. Everyone knows Charles Bronson kicks his ginger-pubed ass all over the place anyway.

[Quarez]

Charles Bronson? Are you kidding me?

[CoTT]

http://website.lineone.net/~braithwaitej/mainsite/overview/actors/bronson.jpg

You're quaking in your boots right now!

[Quarez]

Why would I be? Tøfting could kick his ass and kick it well!

http://www.fotokritik.dk/pics/235907

[CoTT]

FotoKritik.dk?

Nice. :D

[Quarez]

They are one of the few that dare post pictures of Tøfting in movement. Other sites don't dare as they know that the image of that alone would scare most people to not visit their site...

[Bishop]

What's a tofting?

Top real life ass-whoopers:

1. Kurt Angle
2. William Regal
3. JBL
4. Undertaker
5. Vince McMahon's ego

[CoTT]

It's a tough thing, like a two dollar steak.

[Liverlips McGee]

Undertaker couldn't kick my ass in real life, much less any real professional fighters. I would say Vader, but he got his ass whipped by Paul "Shrivelarm" Orndorff and got his eye knocked out of its socket by Stan Hansen. I'd say Bam Bam Bigelow would be a good one to put your money on.

[Quarez]

What's a tofting?


An angry little bald psycho!

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

They'd have a shout. There's probably tougher heavyweights out there, but they've got to be in the top 0.1% of hard human beings.


They aren't even good heavyweights. They're fucking UFC.

[CoTT]

Pride FC pisses all over UFC.

[Izzy Insane]

Captain Planet

[I'm A Fucking Idiot]

Definetly Finlay!!

[Real Deal]

Definetly Finlay!!


If he is allowed to use his shelaly(?)

[-_-]

Yeah he said no-holds-barred so I would say so. That would make Tripple H the winner automatically.

[D-Unit]

im gonna say lesnar he could kick some serious arse in WWE and has proven so in other wrestling leagues. im talking real life fighting and wrestling

[Liverlips McGee]

im gonna say lesnar he could kick some serious arse in WWE and has proven so in other wrestling leagues. im talking real life fighting and wrestling
He got owned by Angle in a legit impromptu wrestling match backstage at least once, so I'm gonna say no. And Stan Hansen could whip his ass brawling any day of the week.

[That Damn Alright]

Wrestling isn't fighting though. Lesnar was/is much stronger than Angle

[Quarez]

True enough, but it doesn't really matter how strong you are if you get caught in a hold...

[FreshBase]

What holds would u reckon? STF or a freestlye bow and arrow??

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Strength isn't the biggest factor.

[That Damn Alright]

Strength plus skill are. Lesnar is stronger than Angle and has almost as much skill. In a fight Lesnar has height, weight, reach, power, strength and age advantages over Angle.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Yeah. I think Lesnar could take Angle as well. But again, weight doesn't mean much either.


Akebono vs Wanderlei Silva?

[That Damn Alright]

When the weight is fat then it's a disadvantage, when the weight is muscle, it's a definate advantage, as long as the fighter is fit as well as strong

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Like Bob Sapp? Cro Cop knocked him the fuck out.

[Real Deal]

Its gotta be lashley, just as skilled as lesnar or angle, but is stronger and faster,

[Liverlips McGee]

What holds would u reckon? STF or a freestlye bow and arrow??
If it comes down to holds, a basic guillotine is very effective. I used to use it in my fights all the time. STFs, bow and arrows, crippler crossfaces, sharpshooters, and figure fours are all unlikely, and stupid, moves to ever use in a real, 100% legitimate fight. The guillotine is locked on quickly, and can end the fight within seconds of applying it. Untrained fighters are usually stupid enough to telegraph a takedown, so when they charge, catch 'em, lock 'em in, and take 'em down. Put your forearm across their carotid artery, and pull up and toward you, and the fight is finished.

[CoTT]

Its gotta be lashley, just as skilled as lesnar or angle, but is stronger and faster,

Dumbass quote of the year.

[Quarez]

A single leg kneelock works pretty good as well...

[CrazySauce]

John Cena could kick everyone's ass in real life.

[Real Deal]

Dumbass quote of the year.

why is that cockwipe?

where talking a real shoot fight, not WWE, an as far as amature background is concerned lashley does have the credentials, he is faster than lesnar, maybe not kurt but still arguable, and easily stronger than both.

plus his a big ass black man

you Fat Ass station contoler

[That Damn Alright]

he is faster than lesnar, maybe not kurt but still arguable, and easily stronger than both.



I'll admit right now that I've seen very, very little of Bobby Lashley, but I find that really hard to believe for the simple fact that I've seen Brock Lesnar. That guy was freakishly strong, and I say that with the most literal meaning intended. Lets not forget he gave an F-5 and a Belly to Belly suplex to the Big Show, and F-5'd Mark Henry like he was a normal sized man.

[Real Deal]

True, but cena has FU'd the big show, and I remeber Goldberg jack hammering the Bigshow, and recently matt morgan F5 the bigshow. That's not the strength iam talking about, if we are talking that kind of strenght then Mark henry is far stronger than all of them, I know its only a gimick now but he did enter the world strongest man contest.

I'm talking about the stregth that comes from speed and agility, the strength you see from a middle wieght boxer, I would easily bet that lashley would have that type explosive sort of strength, I am beeting you will see lashley pull off some big moves on some big guys, He gave the dominator to JBL with ease, and has recently scoop slamed henry. its only a matter of time before he goes up against big show.


And genitically its well known that africans consist of fast twitch muscles, giving them the edge in most sports (boxing, athletics, basketball)

So to conlude thisa admittly gay post. Lashley would win an amatur bout.

an I'd still say Orlando boxing history, matched with his lean heavy wieght frame would punch the shit out of the whole lockeroom.

Size isnt as important than peopl think, it comes down to speed, accuracy and pure ability. thats why boxers will win more fights.

[-_-]

if we are talking that kind of strenght then Mark henry is far stronger than all of them, I know its only a gimick now but he did enter the world strongest man contest.

World's Strongest Man Contest? You do mean the weightlifting in the Olympics right? It's not a gimmick he was actually at one point in time the world's strongest man. He broke the world record at the Olympics.

[Real Deal]

power lifting in the Olympics, and I think he may have entered WSM contest after the olympics. and I meant its only a gimmick, now, currently, 10 years out of his prime.

[CoTT]

Here's our tale of the tape:

Brock Lesnar
Height: 6'2
Weight: 285
Age: 28
Achievements:
NCAA Heavyweight Runner-up (1999)
NCAA Heavyweight Champion (2000)

Bobby Lashley
Height: 6'3
Weight: 273
Age: 29
Achievements:
3-time National Champion (Missouri Valley College) (1996-1998)
NAIA National Wrestling Champion (1997-1998) wrestling in only the 80kg weight division which is about 180 pounds.

The way I see it, Lesnar has the bigger credentials having won a more prestigious wrestling competition plus he has the weight advantage. If Lashley was only 180 pounds or so less than ten years ago, he must be pumping some serious roids in order to have gotten as big as he is. Obviously it would be a close fight, but I'm biased because Lesnar's white.

And THAT'S the REAL DEAL.

[That Damn Alright]

Mark Henry finished 16th in the Olympics I believe. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I'd back Lesnar against Lashley every time, but I think we'll just have to agree to disagree

[CoTT]

Lesnar's insane. When he goes into training he bathes in ice to increase his pain endurance and he runs up hills with logs on his back to improve his power and stamina. That kinda shit is nuts.

[That Damn Alright]

I bet Lashley eats fried chicken by the ton though, and his water melon intake is beyond question

[CoTT]

Lesnar looks like an Irish GAA player. I bet his intake of food involves copious amounts of cabbage, potatoes and ox's tongue.

[Real Deal]

Lesnar's insane. When he goes into training he bathes in ice to increase his pain endurance and he runs up hills with logs on his back to improve his power and stamina. That kinda shit is nuts.


I think youve been watching the rocky movies drunk again and your getting confused

[Real Deal]

[QUOTE=CoTT]Here's our tale of the tape:

Brock Lesnar
Height: 6'2
Weight: 285
Age: 28
Achievements:
NCAA Heavyweight Runner-up (1999)
NCAA Heavyweight Champion (2000)

Bobby Lashley
Height: 6'3
Weight: 273
Age: 29
Achievements:
3-time National Champion (Missouri Valley College) (1996-1998)
NAIA National Wrestling Champion (1997-1998) wrestling in only the 80kg weight division which is about 180 pounds.


He’s a three-time wrestling national champion and a four-time wrestling All-American. He’s also a two-time Armed Forces Champion and took home the silver medal in the 2002 CISM World Championships — competing against the best of the rest of the world’s military.

[Cosmic Pope]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/id/5/5c/Southrussel.jpg

Russell Crowe!

[Izzy Insane]

I fucking hate him, but Lesnar would own them all hands down.

[CoTT]

I think youve been watching the rocky movies drunk again and your getting confused

Nope. It's all true according to that DVD they made of him. I believe it. Some martial artists use the ice bath during their training as well.

[That Damn Alright]

They showed training videos of Rock Vs Brock before Wrestlemania a few years ago where Lesnar used to get in ice baths, do long distance runs with logs, and use these sticks to do stretches with. Come to think of it, it's probably the same clip Scott has seen. The rock was running up steps in a stadium, doing standing jumps onto pregressively higher levels on a wall and doing chin-ups with towels for handles

[Super Crazy]

They showed training videos of Rock Vs Brock before Wrestlemania a few years ago where Lesnar used to get in ice baths, do long distance runs with logs, and use these sticks to do stretches with. Come to think of it, it's probably the same clip Scott has seen

I remember seeing that. Brock had one of the most odd and insane workouts I'v ever seen.

[That Damn Alright]

It was all bullshit though. You can take as many baths or run with as heavy a log as you want, but there's no way you get as big as Lesnar without hitting the gym like a mother fucker every day for several hours a day. Same goes for Rock

[Quarez]

I do those Ice baths every morning just to wake me up from the alcohol induced coma I find myself in...

[CoTT]

They showed training videos of Rock Vs Brock before Wrestlemania a few years ago where Lesnar used to get in ice baths, do long distance runs with logs, and use these sticks to do stretches with. Come to think of it, it's probably the same clip Scott has seen. The rock was running up steps in a stadium, doing standing jumps onto pregressively higher levels on a wall and doing chin-ups with towels for handles

That was before SummerSlam.

[That Damn Alright]

Whatever. Was that the same video you were taling about?

[CoTT]

Probably was. I don't even know whether I saw it on DVD or just before that match.

[aint no stoppin me now]

lashley or batista or angle would win a propper scrap i mean batista has already proved he can take care of himself after what he did to booker t, lashley because of the shere size of the guy i mean look at the arms you wouldnt know what hit you if you messed with him also his strength for his size is pure amazing.
angle because he is relentless and he would probbably never back down even if he was truly fucked, he would carry on throwing punches.

also shelton benjamin, because of his speed and his jumping ability, hes punches would be quick and hard to keep track of and he could just keep jumping over everyone when they tried to charge at him.

:D

[Cosmic Pope]

lashley or batista or angle would win a propper scrap i mean batista has already proved he can take care of himself after what he did to booker t, lashley because of the shere size of the guy i mean look at the arms you wouldnt know what hit you if you messed with him also his strength for his size is pure amazing.
angle because he is relentless and he would probbably never back down even if he was truly fucked, he would carry on throwing punches.

also shelton benjamin, because of his speed and his jumping ability, hes punches would be quick and hard to keep track of and he could just keep jumping over everyone when they tried to charge at him.

:D

You seriously give too much credit to Shelton Benjamin. I seriously think Benajmin wouldn't win a fight, however atleast he still got his momma.

Speaking of which. Did WWE pull her character?

[Selborne Boome]

yep, they did, thank goodness!

[FreshBase]

I thought she was off T.V due to health problems. I didn't know they pulled her character completely.

[Selborne Boome]

I thought the health problems was only a storyline?

[FreshBase]

No she did actually have legitimate health problems i think.

[Selborne Boome]

i swear i saw her acting like she had health problems, then smacking someone over the head with an object... ?

[Liverlips McGee]

She did have legitimate health problems and needed a surgery. WWE was pissed that she didn't tell them before she was hired, even though she knew full well. Therefore WWE pulled her off TV, using the "heart problems" storyline. She is still on the payroll, but she is unlikely to be used again and will likely be let go soon.

[CoTT]

I heard she was let go a few months back. It was very low key but I definitely remember seeing a blurb on Rajah, PWI or the Observer on it.

[Liverlips McGee]

Listen, motherfucker, you wanna argue with me? If you wanna throw hands, we'll throw hands, bitch!

I'm sorry, let's never fight again. (I also miss the "blushing" smiley. This board sucks.)

[Cosmic Pope]

She did have legitimate health problems and needed a surgery. WWE was pissed that she didn't tell them before she was hired, even though she knew full well. Therefore WWE pulled her off TV, using the "heart problems" storyline. She is still on the payroll, but she is unlikely to be used again and will likely be let go soon.

Heh. WWE sent her to OVW.

[Real Deal]

You seriously give too much credit to Shelton Benjamin. I seriously think Benajmin wouldn't win a fight, however atleast he still got his momma.

Speaking of which. Did WWE pull her character?

If he hit one of those round house kicks to the head for real, it would be all over.

[aint no stoppin me now]

yeh they pulled his mumma out of the story line and refreshed his charechter

[aint no stoppin me now]

yeh thats true the speed he puts into the round house kick is sick,also hehas a mean super kick which probably would lay the opponet out.

[The Wrestling Machine]

Yoshihiro Takayama hands down the most brutal shoot fighter ever. Japanese wrestlers who wrestle under strong style and rules like that I consider to be the toughest. You're not gonna see Triple H taking Kobashi's stiff ass chops without crying.

[That Damn Alright]

Why? Jap wrestlers aren't a different breed of human, they are men just like Triple H is a man. Triple H finished a match with his quad muscle rolled up to the top of his leg, I think he could take a gook slapping him.

[CoTT]

It's not taking chops that makes these Japs tough, it's either the sheer bravery or stupidity behind some of the suplexes they take.

[That Damn Alright]

Yeah well what do you expect, gooks are feckwits.

[The Wrestling Machine]

Well yes taking bumps is good I guess, but strong style is just basically working stiff and adding realistic moves to it. Inoki also was known for being one hell of a shoot fighter, what I'm saying is that alot of Japanese wrestlers have real fighting backrounds. I also see that racism is a big thing of this board so I better just ignore it...

[CoTT]

So what if they real fighting backgrounds? That doesn't necessarily make you a good pro wrestler. See Ken "Shitty Superstar" Shamrock.

[That Damn Alright]

Didn't Inoki beat the crap out of Muhammed Ali at one stage?

[Charly]

Didn't Inoki beat the crap out of Muhammed Ali at one stage?

HA, did he fuck. I read an article on this once. Inoki was scheduled to face Ali in a worked match. But Ali felt he would be conning the fans if it was worked. So the match was turned to a shoot. Inoki, of course, shit himself and spen the whole match on his ass kicking away at Alis legs. This caused alot of bruising and a blood clot to Alis leg.

[The Wrestling Machine]

"The match with Muhammad Ali in 1976 was originally supposed to have been worked. Ali's camp feared that Inoki would turn the fight into a shoot, which led them to restrict the fight to striking rules only, with no suplexes and slams allowed. Ali landed a total of six punches to Inoki and Inoki kept to his back in a defensive position almost the full duration of the match, hitting Ali with a low kick repeatedly. The bout ended in a draw, 3-3."

Yeah sort of.

[Charly]

I'll tell you what. Why don't you just repeat what I said, change the wording and add a few meaningless facts? Should be a good idea.

[Liverlips McGee]

So what if they real fighting backgrounds? That doesn't necessarily make you a good pro wrestler. See Ken "Shitty Superstar" Shamrock.
Shamrock was a much better wrestler than Ron Waterman and Dan Severn combined. Which makes him about 6% better than Van Hammer.

[CoTT]

...but still 677% behind Kevin Nash.

http://www.webontario.com/fighting/kevinnash/Kevinsmile.jpg

[adrock2099]

And about infinity-percent behind this guy:





http://www.goxland.it/the619/images/hardcore%20holly/hardcore%20holly.jpg

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Inoki's shootfighting background is fictional, just like almost every other "Real" thing he did.

Hogan knocking him out and becoming a fill in IWGP champ? Work.

[That Damn Alright]

Shamrock had a good match with Undertaker ages ago

[Quarez]

And about infinity-percent behind this guy:





http://www.goxland.it/the619/images/hardcore%20holly/hardcore%20holly.jpg

I miss Holly...

[aint no stoppin me now]

i agree hardcore holly would be brilliant to watch in a real fight.

[Quarez]

Any update on Holly's condition?

[adrock2099]

He wrote this on his website's forum on Wednesday...

Hi everyone!!!
The emails , postcards, getwell cards, and letters coming in are great......
It makes me want to come back better than ever.......
Things are looking up, the antibiotics are working and I feel like I have licked this thing!
Now the training to be better than I was before starts.the real work !!!!!!!
I hope to be back to the gym this week and on the road back in the ring by Summer Slam!!!!!
I am feeling better than I have felt in over a year.....
If it had not been for Vince and the other guys in charge within the WWE this would have been a lot harder than we anticipated. They made sure I had everything I needed with out a question asked!
I have gotten 1000's of letter and emails and would like to say Thanks Again to the Fans out there for taking the time to send them. It has helped pass time reading them and trying to answer as many as possible.
If I have missed anyone please resend it as I have had a problem with them going into the bulk mail folder as spam.
I have one card I can not respond to simply because no return address was given..it was a priceless card and would like to send something to you guys....
so If Andy in Marietta Oh is reading as Catt says he does then please send me an email at bob@bobhollywrestling.com with your address.
Thanks for the sign in Columbus...............fans like you are the reason I love wrestling!!!
Thanks Matt for all your support you are the greatest friend a person could ask for.......what you do is above and beyond..........

Thanks agin to everyone.
I WILL be BACK Bigger and Better Than ever before!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob Hardcore Holly

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Quarez]

Nothing can kill Holly!!!

[adrock2099]

Holly had better win the belt when he comes back. Imagine the ratings!

[-_-]

SummerSlam seems a bit soon for him to come back. Not complaining but that dude is one strong son of a bitch.

[Quarez]

SummerSlam seems a bit soon for him to come back. Not complaining but that dude is one strong son of a bitch.

The sooner the better! Smackdown is in trouble with the current roster...

[adrock2099]

I want a returning Holly vs. JBL in a world title hardcore rematch, that's what I want.

[That Damn Alright]

I saw JBL today for the first time in a few months, and he's got fat. Like not even tubby, he's a full blown fat boy now

[colabell]

Mark Henry! nuff said

[Real Deal]

Mark Henry! nuff said


to fat, to slow.

[adrock2099]

So yeah, Hardcore Holly? He'd take everyone like it was nothing.

I just thought that needed to be said.