Fucking Horrible

[I Wuv Jessica Biel]

Big Show is apart of fake ECW. I hope the real ECW crowd will be at the Hammerstein Ballroom so they can boo this asshole out of the fucking building.

I hate the WWE so much.

[krossface]

I was actually looking foward to this new ECW at first. But now its just getting retard. Waaaay too many WWE guys ending up in it. Some mix, some don't. It just proof that Vince doesn't beleive in the product 100% without him getting involved in it somehow.

[Liverlips McGee]

Man, do I love being proven correct.

[CrazySauce]

I'm glad Big Show went over and Orton came to RAW. RAW is the only show I'm planning on watching anyway. Big Show is slow and boring, and Orton is quick and floats in the air when doing an RKO.

[Dr. Kenneth Noisewater]

I'm glad Big Show went over and Orton came to RAW. RAW is the only show I'm planning on watching anyway. Big Show is slow and boring, and Orton is quick and floats in the air when doing an RKO.


It's not the RKO, it's a god damn Diamond Cutter which DDP did better anyhow.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

If you want to get technical.... It's an Ace Crusher, and DDP ripped it off of Johnny Ace.

[Liverlips McGee]

So did Stone Cold, Disco Inferno, Mikey Whipwreck, and every indy wrestler with the last name "Austin" in 97-99.

[Selborne Boome]

Diamond Dallas Page would make a nice ECW member

[The Former Member]

Diamond Dallas Page would make a nice ECW member

Dumb Dumb Dumb. You're name should be nielcoon.

[Selborne Boome]

that was my thought, im actually a DDP fan, unlike u who are not...so next time, DONT REPLY!

[The Former Member]

that was my thought, im actually a DDP fan, unlike u who are not...so next time, DONT REPLY!

No I actually do like DDP, but DDP in ECW just reeks of days of the Alliance.

[Selborne Boome]

ah ok, I am a follower of WWF/E since 96, but there were gaps i didnt watch, I dont know DDP for too long, or i do, but cannot remeber exacly everthing.

[Jatycre]

Did anyone get that?

[CrazySauce]

DDP didn't really get off the ground doing the diamond cutter, and if he did, he pretty fell down really quickly, Orton goes up and get air and floats to a finish.

[Real Deal]

I liked DDP's better, it was alot more sudden, randys leaves to much oppurtunity to get countered, I do like the way he stalks them first though.

[That Damn Alright]

Did anyone get that?

Yes, and why don't you give him a break seeing as though English isn't his first language yet he still writes it better than a lot of new people on here.

[sayers king of kings]

bascially orton owns DDP forget DDP his in the past long live the legend killer

[Super Crazy]

Yes, and why don't you give him a break seeing as though English isn't his first language yet he still writes it better than a lot of new people on here.

Because Jatryce likes being an asshole to anyone who wont talk back to him.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

DDP's out of nowhere approach, and two handed for more power approach > Orton's stalk, and one handed fag jump one.

[Quarez]

DDP's out of nowhere approach, and two handed for more power approach > Orton's stalk, and one handed fag jump one.

I really miss the WCW stroyline, where DDP would attack anyone at any time...

[Selborne Boome]

Orton goes up and get air and floats to a finish.

I actually think the floating part spoils the move, it looks crappy, DDP's Diamond Cutter looks so much better if you compare the 2 moves.

[Paton001]

The point is that DDP had a great smile when in wwe lol. Randy Orton = asshole who needed rehab because of his behaviuor backstage

[CrazySauce]

It's not like you were there to witness it or anything, for all you know Randy Orton could be the nicest guy ever.

[DecoyTantric]

Sauce is right. We don't know much of what Orton is really like backstage; however, we've heard plenty of stories about how liked Johnny Ace is.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

LOL, I'm not sure if Decoy's being sarcastic or not. Because there's pretty much just as much stories about Orton being a faggot backstage as Johnny Ace.

[DecoyTantric]

I just keep you guessing, hyuk-hyuk. I'm such a hoot.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

:confused:

[adrock2099]

Christ do these smilies blow.

[Paton001]

It's not like you were there to witness it or anything, for all you know Randy Orton could be the nicest guy ever.[/QUOTE]

i think youll find that all wwe wrestlers hate him and know he brags to them about being taking back early beacuse he feels he is really important

[Selborne Boome]

i think youll find that all wwe wrestlers hate him

And not only them, I also hate him!

[Courtney]

however, he cant be that bad, because while y'all are sat here whinging about him, hes up there wrestling for WWe, making millions and entertaining people. Hmmm...

[Selborne Boome]

If I have to say one good thing about Randy...he's a MUCH better heel than face, and he should never turn face again!

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

however, he cant be that bad, because while y'all are sat here whinging about him, hes up there wrestling for WWe, making millions and entertaining people. Hmmm...


Because we can't rip on wrestlers, because we aren't wrestlers, just like we can't rip on movies because we don't make movies, just like we can't not like food cooked by a chef because we aren't chefs, just like we can't rip on George Bush because we aren't the president of the USA, right? Yeah, that was a really good point there. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[That Damn Alright]

Johnny McBuzzed sent me a PM admitting he was a gay and liked to touch himself to old Baywatch repeats. He said the Hoff got his rocks off.

[Dr. Kenneth Noisewater]

The Miami Herald has a huge article up on the return of ECW, featuring tons of comments from Paul Heyman. Below are a few highlights.

On the new ECW and making sure it's not a nostalgia show.

''It was going to happen with me or without me. I figured I might as well be involved and have some influence on it. I still have the same concerns today as I did then, and I've addressed those concerns. I don't want it to be a nostalgia show, and it's not going to be a nostalgia show. On that aspect my concerns are assured. It can't be a nostalgia show because if it's a nostalgia show, it's doomed right off the bat. It's going to be a progressively thinking promotion. It's going to have the most contemporary music. It's going to have the most riveting and compelling characters. It's going to be able to reach out and create new stars and not have to rely on the guys that were hot five, six or seven years ago. With that in mind I'm very excited about it.''

On using WWE guys like Big Show.

"It's amazing to feel in one night how the Big Show's life has changed, and he'll tell you that. Here's a guy, call a spade, a spade, 7-feet tall and 500 pounds. He's not 6-foot-6, 285 pounds, and we claim he's 7-feet tall, 500 pounds. Here he is now motivated because you tell me the best they can do with him on Raw is what you've seen. It's been horrible, and he knows that. Now he has the opportunity to be himself. A legitimate giant, the world's largest athlete, and that is how we're going to promote him, use him and write for him.''

On TNA and what they have done wrong.

''I don't think TNA is even a consideration. I don't think TNA is even a consideration to anyone in this industry. I wish that they were, but the problem with TNA is they never branded themselves. They took a bunch of guys, whether they had legitimate gripes in WWE, it doesn't matter. They took a bunch of guys, who came on TNA and instead of saying, `This is my opportunity. This is my opportunity to brand TNA. This is my opportunity to create a new style.' All they would say is, `I've been held back. I wasn't given an opportunity. I didn't get this. I didn't get that, and now I'm going to have it.' You know, nobody cares if you've been held back or not. People want to be entertained. It's like if Sylvester Stallone doing a Rocky movie and saying, `You know I wanted it to be a different script.' Who cares? Screw you, entertain me. What they do in TNA is sit there #%*&*#@& and moan about their WWE experiences, instead of selling you on the TNA experience. Another thing they did in TNA wrong, in my opinion, is they didn't brand new stars to be their stars. They didn't make Samoa Joe their star. They didn't make Abyss their lead star. They should have taken these lead guys and branded them so that they are TNA stars."

The entire interview is very good and features Heyman's comments on Sci-Fi Channel wanting "sci-fi" characters like Vampires and much more.

Here is the link to that interview. (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/wrestling/14775757.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_wrestling)

[DecoyTantric]

This is why I mark out for Paul Heyman every time I see his fat face get near a microphone. There isn't a goddamn person in the world who can book like he does.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

You mean unsuccesfully, there's plenty of guys that can do that.

[Selborne Boome]

Paul heyman should also be dumped in a garbage truck!

[Dr. Kenneth Noisewater]

You mean unsuccesfully, there's plenty of guys that can do that.
Yeah, I remember how shitty SmackDown was when he was in control of creative.

[Selborne Boome]

Yeah, I remember how shitty SmackDown was when he was in control of creative.

Dont worry, ECW is not much higher than SD!

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Yeah, I remember how shitty SmackDown was when he was in control of creative.


The only good part of that was the Tag Matches. Anybody who puts Los Guerreros vs Benoit vs Rey and their respective partners knows that there's going to be great matches from it.

The ratings weren't even up for that.

[Dr. Kenneth Noisewater]

I understand if you don't wanna admit to being shown up Johnathan. You're wrong, it's not a bad thing, it happens to the best of 'em.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Hahaha, THATS your reply? Where you're supposed to prove me wrong, and all that jive? All you can say is that bullshit? Please, go suck Angle's cock while taking it in the ass from Heyman, you blind idiot.

[That Damn Alright]

Johnny gets very touchy when it comes to wrestling

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

TDA gets very touchy when there's a sweaty man ass around.

[Dr. Kenneth Noisewater]

That's all I need against someone who takes his own opinions as if it were the word of god. Now go back outside and suck more dick for me, I need drug money.

Everyone knows that has a fucking clue, which you apparently do not, that when Heyman was running SmackDown, it was BY FAR a better show than RAW, ratings be damned, that's not me sucking Heymans cock, those are the fucking facts lackwit. And as far as I can tell, you're in the exteme fucking minority who thinks that Angle isn't even one of the top 30 wrestlers of all time. That statement alone filled me in on how really clueless you really are, but since I found myself agreeing with you with alot on different threads, I decided not to push the subject. But you wanna get ugly, fine, be a fucking baby about it.

I already tore one of your posts apart bit by bit, and you really came back with shinola, so I don't really have anything to prove to a you.

I'm more of a mark for guys like Flair, Savage, Bret Hart, Dusty, The Road Warriors, and I'll be damned if anyone I just mentioned is better than Angle, because they aren't, he is on their level in every way.

[That Damn Alright]

:cool:

[That Damn Alright]

Uh oh, you compared Angle to Flair. That generally prompts replies of Angles lack of long matches, 'ring psychology', selling and Flair matches against queers like Gooky Steamboat.

[Liverlips McGee]

I thought people were supposed to get wiser as they got older. Thanks for disproving the stereotype.

[Dr. Kenneth Noisewater]

Thanks for advancing the stereotype of a younger generation who thinks they are know it alls, it's ok kid, I was your age once, so I'm not gonna be hard on ya, :) for now.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

That's all I need against someone who takes his own opinions as if it were the word of god. Now go back outside and suck more dick for me, I need drug money.

Everyone knows that has a fucking clue, which you apparently do not, that when Heyman was running SmackDown, it was BY FAR a better show than RAW, ratings be damned, that's not me sucking Heymans cock, those are the fucking facts lackwit. And as far as I can tell, you're in the exteme fucking minority who thinks that Angle isn't even one of the top 30 wrestlers of all time. That statement alone filled me in on how really clueless you really are, but since I found myself agreeing with you with alot on different threads, I decided not to push the subject. But you wanna get ugly, fine, be a fucking baby about it.

I already tore one of your posts apart bit by bit, and you really came back with shinola, so I don't really have anything to prove to a you.

I'm more of a mark for guys like Flair, Savage, Bret Hart, Dusty, The Road Warriors, and I'll be damned if anyone I just mentioned is better than Angle, because they aren't, he is on their level in every way.


Basically, what you're saying, is that I take my opinion as fact, but you don't, because even though the ratings said otherwise, Smackdown was better than RAW when Heyman was running it? Well, sir, that sounds to me liek you're following popular opinion again. What are you going to tell me next? That Kurt Angle is on Ric Flair's level, oh you just said that. Case closed, you're just a mark. I refuse to argue with you anymore, when there's nothing that Angle has ever done that's on Flair's level.

Every single component to in ring wrestling goes in Flair's favour when he's compared to Angle. Every component to popularity, charisma, and all that other stuff that other peole care about more than I do STILL goes in Flair's favour. Money, interviews, whatever it may be.

Kurt Angle is a better wrestler than Hawk or Animal, probably Dusty Rhodes, but on the level of Flair, Savage, or Hart? Give me a break.

[Liverlips McGee]

Oh, no, go ahead. Please. I insist. Teach me something about a sport I have been watching and studying for over 20 years now. Shower me with the knowledge that you gleaned from reading Wrestlecrap and Death of WCW and watching WWE retrospective DVDs. Most importantly, please, for the love of God, tell me how to get rid of these burdens called intelligence and self-thought.

[Dr. Kenneth Noisewater]

I refuse to argue with you anymore, when there's nothing that Angle has ever done that's on Flair's level.

BWHAAHAHHAHAHA!!!!

Fucking please. You're telling the match that he had with Benoit that got a standing ovation isn't on Flairs level? Benoit was in the ring alone? Hmm, didn't Angle get Hogan to do the J-O-B to him also? Even the devil himself, HBK, couldn't manage that. How many guys has Angle put over since he's been in WWE? Let's seeee, Booker T, Edge, Benoit, Eddie, Brock, JBL, Eugene, Cena and I'm sure I'm forgetting some. Now tell me how many of those guys I mentioned, would Austin, Rock or Hogan would job to on a regular basis? Because I don't seem to remember Benoit or Eddie gettting very many pinfalls over either one of those guys.

Bret Hart says if he could come back for one more match, it would be agianst Angle, Flair pretty much slobbered all over him in a promo on RAW. But hey, I forgot,their opinions don't mean anything.

[Dr. Kenneth Noisewater]

tell me how to get rid of these burdens called intelligence and self-thought.

McBuzzed already poisoned your mind.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

"Fucking please. You're telling the match that he had with Benoit that got a standing ovation isn't on Flairs level? Benoit was in the ring alone? Hmm, didn't Angle get Hogan to do the J-O-B to him also? Even the devil himself, HBK, couldn't manage that. How many guys has Angle put over since he's been in WWE? Let's seeee, Booker T, Edge, Benoit, Eddie, Brock, JBL, Eugene, Cena and I'm sure I'm forgetting some. Now tell me how many of those guys I mentioned, would Austin, Rock or Hogan would job to on a regular basis? Because I don't seem to remember Benoit or Eddie gettting very many pinfalls over either one of those guys."

Benoit/Angle was a damn good match, but it's no Flair/Steamboat. What's more amazing, a standing ovation, or a damn near riot because Flair went over in the end? I'd pick the riot.

Angle went over Hogan? So did the Ultimate Warrior. We going to compare these guys now?

Guy's Angle's put over? What does that have to do with him being on Flair's level? Flair's put over almost everybody he's wrestled more than one match with. He literally made the careers of Lex Luger and Sting, and he made guys like Kerry Von Erich and Ronnie Garvin into legitimate contenders in any territory they went.

Again, Benoit or Eddie haven't gotten pinfalls or submissions over Hulk Hogan and this has what to do with wrestling talent? Stan Hansen jobbed to Hulk Hogan, and I'll be damned if that makes him a worse wrestler than The Ultimate Warrior, or Kurt Angle, or Andre the Giant. Yeah, putting Kurt Angle in with those guys was a cruel joke.

Anyway, wrestling success =/= win/loss record. Ric Flair drew more money, and sold out more venues than Kurt Angle has. Ric Flair's best matches are far superior to Kurt Angle's. Ric Flair could work a crowd far better than Kurt Angle, and Bret Hart saying he'd like to have one more match with Kurt Angle?? Do you think that if he hadn't faced Benoit several times in his career he would've still picked Angle?

Angle, with the right opponent, can be a great in ring talent. Ric Flair, with a peice of horseshit, was a great in ring talent.

[That Damn Alright]

HA! Was I right or was I right. Can we abort the inevitable next two pages of shit now and stop these queer comparisons between the Angle of twenty years ago and the Ric Flair of modern wrestling?

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Don't read it.

[That Damn Alright]

Don't write it. I'd tell you to save yourself some time and go back and copy and paste your posts from the 50 other similar threads we've had in the past, but alas, that's impossible. Instead I'll just say: Who cares? No one will ever provide an argument that changes the other persons mind and in the end you'll just end up disliking each other more than you do now. Why waste the energy?

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Whether or not somebody likes something better is one thing, whether or not there's logical reasons other than "Oh, I think he's better because that's my opinion." is another thing.

Somebody could say The Big Bossman is the greatest wrestler of all time, that would be wrong. Somebody could say The Big Bossman is their favourite wrestler of all time, and that would be fine and dandy.

Opinions can be wrong.

[That Damn Alright]

So what you're saying is, Andre the Giant may have been shit, or indeed Angle being better than Flair, and just because it's your opinion he wasn't, doesn't make it fact? Gotcha chief, thanks for the heads up

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Your opinion is by watching 10 minutes of random shit. Mine involves lengthy matches where he proved he wasn't just a lumbering lump of shit that couldn't do anything.

Which opinion do you think is probably closer to the truth?

[That Damn Alright]

I see, so what you were actually saying was 'opinion isn't fact, except for mine'.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

I didn't say it was fact, you fucking pissant. I said "Which opinion is probably closer to the truth."

Obviously the one which has more basis behind it, right? I'm not going to think my opinion is closer to the truth when it comes to English pop music, am I? Read the fucking posts, asshole.

[That Damn Alright]

Johnny Johnny Johnny, which part of that was you 'dropping it'? Calm yourself down.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Different topic, ignorant post, couldn't help myself.

[That Damn Alright]

aaah, it's a different post so your position has changed? You were going to drop the argument in one but continue it in another? That's not quite ignorant, but it sure is ridiculous. Seriously dude, maybe crack a window and get some air in the room, because right now you're getting pissed off for what is essentially just me disagreeing with you. Get some perspective, and then come back. If you still feel like arguing, maybe consider arguing with yourself, seeing as though you're the only one who can ever be right.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

"YOUR OPINION IS FACT TO YOU!!!" Is not essentially disagreeing with me, it's talking shit. Now stop posting shit to me, and I won't post it back.

[Liverlips McGee]

McBuzzed already poisoned your mind.
Actually, I thought that well before I stumbled upon this place.

And, just to enlighten you, there is a difference in "putting someone over" as opposed to "losing to them." What stars has Angle made? None. He faces established stars (Austin, Benoit, Undertaker, Cena) and puts on usually good matches. It's been said before that Angle could wrestle a tackling dummy and make it a four-star match. Let's say it's true, as star ratings are generally opinion, anyway. If that's true, then it can be said of Flair that he could make that same tackling dummy a superstar, and worthy of a title shot in fans' eyes.

[CoTT]

TDA, stop breaking up wrestling arguments. Afterall, this is a wrestling forum. I was enjoying Johnny and the doctor ripping chunks out of each other. Now continue!!

[Quarez]

Just to get back on topic, I respect Angle's amateur wrestling background and his technical ability, but as a pro-wrestler he, in my opinion, isn't in the top 30 of the greatest ever. Putting him next to guys like Hart and Flair just annoys me, and makes me lose interest in the topic. Psychology wise and as far as putting together a match goes, Angle really can't find his way around a ring... I think this has been posted before... If I write "Angle gets lost", does that make you reminisce.

[That Damn Alright]

Talking wrestling bores me. Much better to have an argument, so I got what I wanted from this topic. Still, I was right, Andre was shit and Guerrero was overrated. Angle is much better than Hart, Savage and everything I've ever seen flair do. I know this because my opinion is fact and I'm always right.

[Quarez]

Talking wrestling bores me. Much better to have an argument, so I got what I wanted from this topic. Still, I was right, Andre was shit and Guerrero was overrated. Angle is much better than Hart, Savage and everything I've ever seen flair do. I know this because my opinion is fact and I'm always right.

Are you as drunk as I am?!

[That Damn Alright]

No. When I'm drunk, you know it.

[Quarez]

No. When I'm drunk, you know it.

Yeah, cause you keep hogging the covers and always try to steal my pillow…

[Selborne Boome]

Angle is much better than Hart

As much as i love angle, i cannot agree on this one

[jackofalltrades]

Angle is much better than Hart.

me neither, although i respect angle immensely for making the jump from amateur to pro. as for the angle/flair argument, i think they are great in different ways. for example flair could never do some of the amateur stuff as good as angle can, but angle cannot work a crowd anywhere near as well as good as flair could, nor can anyone else for that matter. You also have to take into consideration that wrestling has totally changed from when flair was at his peak to now, where angle is at his peak. Thats why angle probably wouldnt have worked in flairs era, and thats why, in my opinion, flair doesnt work in wrestling today.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Angle doesn't even do any amateur stuff in his matches. Aside from the rare take down that he does for a reaction against guys like Benoit and Lesnar.

[That Damn Alright]

He did against Orton, and it was Or-some. hahaha, oh goodness

[buryboy06]

i was hoping that the dudley boys and rhyno will come back to ecw but dont think they will if it not going to be better then it was.

[Quarez]

He did against Orton, and it was Or-some. hahaha, oh goodness

I liked that Orton was talking about killing the legend of ECW, when Vince is already doing it on his own!

[That Damn Alright]

This ECW was never going to be anything but complete shit. They'll probably keep it for about 6 months, have a few decent matches and then stop it again and blame everything on Heyman and the ECW brand.

[Quarez]

This ECW was never going to be anything but complete shit. They'll probably keep it for about 6 months, have a few decent matches and then stop it again and blame everything on Heyman and the ECW brand.

The way it should be!

[Selborne Boome]

And im drinking to THAT! (Quarez style)

[Quarez]

And im drinking to THAT! (Quarez style)

So naked and wasted on Sluggoz couch? I'll grab another beer before bed!

[Jay19]

Well i H8 the big slow but so far in ecw i have been impresed my him in ECW.

[-_-]

I'm sure that if WWF let him be quicker in the ring he would be quick but I think WWF would have told him to be slow for safety reason because of his size. He could do some serios damage if he fought at his full potential.

[Quarez]

a better forum http://www.drewz.proboards75.com/


What is up with that sig? If it's better, what the fuck are you doing here with your sorry ass!