Your top 10 all-time matches.

[Charly]

This is a space to post your all-time matches. Which ones you personally think were fucking awesome. Try to put it in order too. Ill start things off shall I niggaz?

1. Kenta Kobashi vs Toshiaki Kawada (18-10-96) AJPW.

Basically because its a match to decide who is the best. Ever, probably. It ends in a draw quite fittingly. I could never decide between these 2 legends.

2. Jumbo Tsuruta vs Mitsuharu Misawa (9-6-90) AJPW

This was the REAL handing over of the torch. Not Hogan handing it to Warrior. With all due respect to Hogan. Storytelling at its finest. The slowly building match matched the slowly building Misawa chants perfectly.

3. Jumbo Tsuruta vs Bruiser Brody (31-8-83) AJPW

Just fucking wow. Perfect storytellling by Tsuruta again. The battling babyface agianst the bigger, stronger bully. Brilliant.

4. Rikidozan vs Lou Thesz (1957) Not sure what promotion. Maybe AJPW

Now this is fucking old school. The pioneer of Puroresu vs the pioneer of American Wrestling, Saw it a few years back and have recently been reminded of the classic on youtube. Heres the link.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uNjhtn2R-A

If the link doesnt work, just go on youtube and type in Rikidozan.

5, Jumbo Tsuruta vs Ric Flair (8-6-82) AJPW

Another excellent match feautrung in Jumbo. They went at it for nearly half anhour and it was pretty fucking awesome. Get exhausted just atching it!

Fuck it. 5 will do for now. Now I've done the first 5 its actually quite hard to think up the others. Theres plenty to choose from. Just what?

5.

[Sadistikal]

No specific order of importance........

1. Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (Cage Match) (12-25-82) Great storyline and great hype up to one of the best cage matches of all time. Triggered the Von Erich and Freebird feud also.

2. Ricky "The Dragon Steamboat vs. Ric Flair (Best 2 out of 3 Falls 1989) It's nearly impossible to pick a mere best match between them both. They had so many great matches over the years. Flair and Steamboat in their prime never let you down for a great match, and this was no exception. I envy New Orleans for having the match.

3. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (Ironman match at Wrestlemania 12) Arguably not only the best Ironman match EVER, but certainly as well the blue print for how one should go. The match that put Michaels on the map as a performer in the business.

4. The Ultimate Warrior vs. Hulk Hogan (Wrestlemania 6) The first time title versus title ever took place. The match that proved Warrior could work a good entertaining match past three minutes. One of the best promoted and hyped matches in the history of the industry.

5. Larry Zbysko vs. Bruno Sammartino (Cage Match 1972) Teacher versus student. Zybsko learned a lot from Sammartino in that match. One of the most brutal cage matches in history. Yeah, it's a mere cage match but it was the "Hell In A Cell" match of its day.

6. The Super Powers and The Road Warriors vs. The Four Horsemen (The Great American Bash 1987) The dawning of a new era in wrestling, the first and still to this day BEST War Games match of all time. A lot of great feuds in two cages to settle a score and spill blood. KIIIILLLEEERRR!!!!

7. Sting vs. Ric Flair (Clash Of The Champions I 1988) One match that truly personifies wrestling combined with poetry in motion. No one thought Sting could sell a match with Flair for forty five minutes that early in his career, and he proved them all wrong. One of Sting's first matches that proved he could main event, be a deserving champion one day, and be a mainstay name in the wrestling world. Great match!

8. 12 Man Elimination Match (Parade Of Champions II 1985) One of the best matches in the history of WCCW. The Von Erichs and The Freebirds mended fences for a brief time to take down and fight a common enemy in Devastation Inc. and The Dynamic Duo of Adams and Hernandez. A real contrast of a lot of different styles in the ring, but it made for a lot of interesting match ups.

9. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs. Triple H (3 Stages Of Hell match "No Way Out" 2001) The best match these two ever had against each other. It was one of the earliest matches that proved Triple H to be incredibly tough after dumping his finese image for a more smash mouth style in the ring. The only time Austin was ever taken to the limit in a brawl by another wrestler in spades. Even though Triple H won, to me the match was a draw at the end of the night. Just a great fucking fight to watch.

10. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs. "Macho Man" Randy Savage (Wrestlemania III 1987) The match that stole the night! The perfect match to watch to see a match perfectly rehearsed in movement step by step. It will always be one of the best IC title matches and matches in general in history. Savage and Steamboat put a wrestling clinic on that night full of excitement.

Hard to choose a mere top ten. But those are mine.

[Charly]

Jesus. Each to his own I suppose. I've got bored of giving you shit already. I'm just going to let you get on ith it. Ok , just one last thing. 3 and 4 suck, And 9 and 10 are deffinately not top 10 material. But, it is your erm.. opinion. So yeah, go with it.

[Sadistikal]

Jesus. Each to his own I suppose. I've got bored of giving you shit already. I'm just going to let you get on ith it. Ok , just one last thing. 3 and 4 suck, And 9 and 10 are deffinately not top 10 material. But, it is your erm.. opinion. So yeah, go with it.

LoL! Dude you're hilarious. With fucks like you on here I'm never going to have a boring moment. We both know the list I was going to comprise was not going to be appeal to you anyway. It was a no win situation from the get go. Now to address your comments.

As I recall you said post matches that WE PERSONALLY liked and thought fucking ruled. Well, that's where the Austin vs. Triple H match comes in. I don't think it was one of the best matches of all time per se, just a great match in general they both put on against each other. And you'd have to be a fucking fool to deny Steamboat and Savage at Wrestlemania III. Even the biggest dickhead critics list that as one of the best matches of all time ever wrestled.

And how you deny Hart and Michaels and Warrior against Hogan is beyond me also. Those will forever be two of some of the biggest mainstay main events in the history of Wrestlemania. You're not that smart anyway to claim Hogan and Warriors match was not a passing of the torch match, so your opinion to me based on that alone is shit. But if you don't like them, big fucking deal. I could have named tons of other matches that went back farther than what I did. I just chose some matches that came to my mind as some of the best.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Hansen vs Kobashi - 1993 x2

Misawa vs Kawada- 1994, 1997, 1998

Misawa vs Kobashi - 1994, 1997, 2003

The other two, not picky. Misawa/Kobashi vs Taue/Kawada, Funk/Flair '89, Flair/Steamboat, Flair/Von Erich, Lawler/Funk, Liger/Samurai, so many more.

[Jatycre]

Just the fact that you compare Hogan/Warrior to any of the matches listed in this thread, makes me cringe.



Austin/Nips also made me wince a little too though.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Hate to side with the ethnic minority, but Hogan/Warrior would make my list if I was taking magnitude, crowd reaction, etc into consideration.

It would probably make my top 10 list of matches that "Had No Business Being This Good". Because it was the Warrior, one of the most terrible wrestlers that was succesful, and Hogan right in the middle of his low point on top of the WWF, before Flair came in and got him to put his work boots back on.

[Sadistikal]

Just the fact that you compare Hogan/Warrior to any of the matches listed in this thread, makes me cringe.

It's a legendary match for many reasons. You'd have a hard time finding someone that would disagree with that. Was it Dynamite Kid vs. Bret Hart caliber matches? No. But it was good for what the both of them had to offer.

[Sadistikal]

Hate to side with the ethnic minority, but Hogan/Warrior would make my list if I was taking magnitude, crowd reaction, etc into consideration.

It would probably make my top 10 list of matches that "Had No Business Being This Good". Because it was the Warrior, one of the most terrible wrestlers that was succesful, and Hogan right in the middle of his low point on top of the WWF, before Flair came in and got him to put his work boots back on.

The Warrior was a sports entertainer wrestler personified. Most of them don't know how to work and put on deeply awesome matches. The Warrior had very little training when he broke in the business anyway. They did nothing but teach him power moves like they did most bodies back then like Lex Luger and some others. Charisma is everything, and he had it in spades. Guys like him are the wrestlers that people remember at the end of the day whether you like it or not. As he said and I agree with it somewhat "I put more into my entrance, than most people did in the entire matches they wrestled."

[CoTT]

Not one Chris Benoit match mentioned yet? Pfft!

[Sadistikal]

Not one Chris Benoit match mentioned yet? Pfft!

Yeah that is kind of insulting to him. Hmm, hard to choose a legendary match by him though, because he's had so many awesome ones especially in Japan as the Pegazus Kid. I'd put any match Benoit had with Bret Hart on the list. They always had great matches, especially when they wrestled each other in the tribute to Owen Hart match.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

The Warrior was a sports entertainer wrestler personified. Most of them don't know how to work and put on deeply awesome matches. The Warrior had very little training when he broke in the business anyway. They did nothing but teach him power moves like they did most bodies back then like Lex Luger and some others. Charisma is everything, and he had it in spades. Guys like him are the wrestlers that people remember at the end of the day whether you like it or not. As he said and I agree with it somewhat "I put more into my entrance, than most people did in the entire matches they wrestled."

Of course this is the kind of wrestler a casual fan is going to remember, but I'm not a casual fan, and neither is anybody else here. Luger in 88-89 was actually a good to very good power worker. He was better than Sting.


As for Benoit, he's in my top 10 wrestlers of all time, but he doesn't have a match that I would put ahead of my others.

[Charly]

I agree with you there Sluggo. Best match I can remember of his was against William Regal at the Brian Pillman memorial show. 2000 I think the year was.

Anyway, my second 5 are..

6. Bret 'Hitman' Hart vs Stone Cold Steve Austin (Wrestlemania 13)

WWFs best match that I have seen. Easy. The best technical wrestler in the WWF vs the best brawler. Both had bags full of charisma and could work the crowd brilliantly.

7. Steve Williams vs Kenta Kobashi (3-9-93) AJPW

Not too fast paced but a brutal match all the same. Very very stiff workers.

8. British Bulldog vs Bret 'Hitman' Hart. (SummerSlam 92)

Best Bulldog match ever. And him winning the title at the main event in front of 90000 of English fans was awesome. I might be a bit biased but I dont care. Top notch work from both of them.

9. Kenta Kobashi vs Mitsuahru Misawa (1-3-2003) NOAH

GHC Title on the line. A match that rivals their earlier efforts and proves to show the legendary status these 2 guys so thoroughly deserve.

10. Kenta Kobashi vs Mitsuahru Misawa (25-10-95) AJPW

I really dont need to say much about this. This match is just as likely to be on top of anyones list. Simply awesome.

Thats it! My top 10. Near perfect I say.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

[QUOTE=Charly;20475]

9. Kenta Kobashi vs Mitsuahru Misawa (1-3-2003) NOAH

GHC Title on the line. A match that rivals their earlier efforts and proves to show the legendary status these 2 guys so thoroughly deserve.

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That match makes you wonder how Misawa is alive, and still working great matches today.

[Charly]

He has to be my all time favourite. Just pipping Jumbo Tsuruta and Kenta Kobashi. A true legend.

[Sadistikal]

Of course this is the kind of wrestler a casual fan is going to remember, but I'm not a casual fan, and neither is anybody else here. Luger in 88-89 was actually a good to very good power worker. He was better than Sting.

Sting a power wrestler? Umm, maybe back in the day when he was Flash Borden in The Bladerunners before he learned how to work I would say he was. But certainly he was not by 88-89. When they trained Sting (again) and taught him how to work they had him utilize his speed and natural athletic ability liking jumping off ropes more than anything. He had some power moves he did, but I don't consider him a power move wrestler like Luger or the Warrior for instance. So yeah I should hope he was better than Sting in that regard.

It's not a fair comparison to me. It's like calling John Cena a power wrestler with Batista in the same sentence, and I wouldn't call Cena a power wrestler despite he has F-U'ed The Big Show more than once.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Christ.

I said Luger was a good power wrestler, and that at the time he was better than Sting. I meant as a wrestler all together.

Don't say I can't compare the two as wrestlers, no matter how small or large the difference between styles is. I'm still going to put Nobuhiko Takada on the same list as Steve Austin when I'm naming my 100 best wrestlers list, or whatever.

And in the Blade Runners it was just Blade Runner Flash, and Blade Runner Rock. Flash Borden, although a funny name when he used it, was over by the time of the Blade Runners.

[Sadistikal]

Christ.

I said Luger was a good power wrestler, and that at the time he was better than Sting. I meant as a wrestler all together.

Don't say I can't compare the two as wrestlers, no matter how small or large the difference between styles is. I'm still going to put Nobuhiko Takada on the same list as Steve Austin when I'm naming my 100 best wrestlers list, or whatever.

And in the Blade Runners it was just Blade Runner Flash, and Blade Runner Rock. Flash Borden, although a funny name when he used it, was over by the time of the Blade Runners.

No one was a bigger Lex Luger fan at the time than I was in his prime back then. But he was not a better wrestler than Sting, no matter how much I wanted it to be true. Sting had far more athletic ability and ring ability than Luger did. Luger could sell a match extremely well, but he was never the draw Sting was in any shape or form. There's just no comparison between the two at all. But have fun making sense of it when you think about it. Even their ground work was the same, they did the same holds when grounding a wrestler.

And no in The Bladerunners they originally introduced themselves as Rock Justice and Flash Borden. I've seen the old UWF interview WAYYYY back when Eddie Gilbert was their handler and heard them say it. They used it in Mid-South also, because they got introduced as that when wrestling The Fantastics. But shortly there after they dropped the last names (in the UWF), because they felt it was hokey and stupid and thought the first names alone would sound more menacing. Warrior himself has said this to be true also. But then Flash Borden became Sting after just a few more matches wrestling as a singles competitor with the name, he dropped it.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

Drawing doesn't mean shit to me. Lex Luger was on average a far better wrestler than Sting in '88, '89, and mabye '90. He just seemed to stop caring after that. Whereas Sting maintained a steady level of average until Vader carried him to some of the best American matches of the 90s in '93.

Never heard "Rock Justice", but he did go under Jim "Justice" Hellwig as part of that gay steroid stable. So I'll take your word for it.

[Sadistikal]

Drawing doesn't mean shit to me. Lex Luger was on average a far better wrestler than Sting in '88, '89, and mabye '90. He just seemed to stop caring after that. Whereas Sting maintained a steady level of average until Vader carried him to some of the best American matches of the 90s in '93.

Never heard "Rock Justice", but he did go under Jim "Justice" Hellwig as part of that gay steroid stable. So I'll take your word for it.

I wish I saw all this ability that you supposedly saw in Lex Luger back then. The guy was a good wrestler as far as a body is concerned. But even Luger has admitted more than once that Sting had more natural ability in the ring than him to do stuff. I always thought that was obvious to anyone with two good eyes, until you've challenged it here today. But yeah he stopped caring because they would never let him beat Flair for the world title. I think he felt like he was busting his ass for nothing just to enhance Flair's image more.

Jim "Justice" Hellwig was his name in Power Team U.S.A. They all had nicknames and that was his (you know U.S.A. equates to Justice...yeah). Then when The Bladerunners formed he became Rock Justice. They rotated times announcing them and writing brief articles on them sometimes using the last name and sometimes not using it. But if you care enough to research it and read the right articles, you can see what I'm saying is true.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

I wish I saw all this ability that you supposedly saw in Lex Luger back then. The guy was a good wrestler as far as a body is concerned. But even Luger has admitted more than once that Sting had more natural ability in the ring than him to do stuff. I always thought that was obvious to anyone with two good eyes, until you've challenged it here today. But yeah he stopped caring because they would never let him beat Flair for the world title. I think he felt like he was busting his ass for nothing just to enhance Flair's image more.

Jim "Justice" Hellwig was his name in Power Team U.S.A. They all had nicknames and that was his (you know U.S.A. equates to Justice...yeah). Then when The Bladerunners formed he became Rock Justice. They rotated times announcing them and writing brief articles on them sometimes using the last name and sometimes not using it. But if you care enough to research it and read the right articles, you can see what I'm saying is true.


Natural Ability doesn't always mean better wrestler. Look at Jun Akiyama. Sure Sting had more natural ability, more charisma, and a better look. But my point is, Luger was defying all of that, and working beyond his means when he was very young. Nowhere did I say Luger had amazing ability or potential, I said Luger had a better three years than Sting did, and the matchlists back that up.

[Sadistikal]

Natural Ability doesn't always mean better wrestler. Look at Jun Akiyama. Sure Sting had more natural ability, more charisma, and a better look. But my point is, Luger was defying all of that, and working beyond his means when he was very young. Nowhere did I say Luger had amazing ability or potential, I said Luger had a better three years than Sting did, and the matchlists back that up.

I wouldn't say Luger was defying all of that, he himself had a lot of charisma back then and the people had a natural appeal to him. All he had to do was flex or walk with confidence to the ring or around it to get a reaction. And I would say Sting had the more interesting look between the two of them, but interesting does not always equate to better in my book. The Lex Luger that started in Florida was not terribly different than the one in the NWA towards the late 80's. And I don't know how you think the match lists would back up that Luger had a better three years than Sting did. They rotated the same feuds with the same people pretty much. Unless you're taking into a count that Luger was United States champion which is more prestigious to hold than the T.V. title that Sting had. But the match lists wouldn't prove anything.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

I'm starting to think you're fucking missing the point everytime on purpose to be annoying.

LUGER HAS A BETTER MATCHLISTS NOT BECAUSE OF WHO HE WAS FACING, BUT HOW GOOD THE MATCHES WERE. IM NOT JUDGING THIS ON HIS MUSCLES OR CHARISMA I'M JUDGING THIS ON HOW GOOD THE MATCHES WERE.

[Sadistikal]

I'm starting to think you're fucking missing the point everytime on purpose to be annoying.

LUGER HAS A BETTER MATCHLISTS NOT BECAUSE OF WHO HE WAS FACING, BUT HOW GOOD THE MATCHES WERE. IM NOT JUDGING THIS ON HIS MUSCLES OR CHARISMA I'M JUDGING THIS ON HOW GOOD THE MATCHES WERE.

I get what you're saying, and even still I don't think Lugers matches were better than Stings. Not necessarily worse, just not better. If anything just as good. However I will say for the most part his series of matches with Flair I think were better than Sting's series of matches with Flair. But I don't think Luger had a match with Flair that beat Sting's match with Flair at the first Clash.

But hey differences are what make the world go around.

[Charly]

My god Sadistikal just fuck off will ya? And will someone please put there top 10 on here? Once again I'm drunk and I'll fucking announce it if I want to. FUCKERS!!! ARgghhhh.

[Sadistikal]

My god Sadistikal just fuck off will ya?

Hahaha, you have no idea how many times I've said the exact same thing to you. You have quite the imagination when it comes to conjuring up insults. It's only cute once, maybe twice.......after that it's just stupid because it's riddled with an attention whore aura to it. You're the one that has been on my dick since I got here trying to make me acknowledge you, well you've been acknowledged........so please fuck off now yourself.

[That Damn Alright]

Edge and Matt Hardy Vs Jeff Hardy and Christian.


The End.

[adrock2099]

THAT'S OUR TDA! *cue 80's sitcom theme*

[Liverlips McGee]

I don't really have a top ten. Really kinda depends on my mood. So I will list some damn good matches that I've been watching lately.

1.) Benoit/Liger vs. The Steiners, from like 1994.
2.) Steamboat vs Rude, 30 minute Iron Man match at Beach Blast.
3.) Arn/Ole vs. The Rock 'n' Roll Express, NWA TV from about '85.
4.) Owen vs Liger, April '91.
5.) Flair vs. Vader, Starrcade '93.
6.) Ultimo vs. Rey, WW3 1997.
7.) Gladiator vs. Kobashi, September 1999.
8.) Cactus Jack vs. HHH, Royal Rumble '00, street fight.
9.) Pillman vs. Liger, SuperBrawl II.
10.) Aries vs. Joe, Final Battle '04.

Again, this is not my top ten. This is just a bunch of good stuff that I've been watching lately.

[adrock2099]

6.) Ultimo vs. Rey, WW3 1997.

That may be my personal favorite match ever.

[Jatycre]

These go in no particular order.


1. Bret Hart vs Chris Benoit (I'll just say both matches can go in one spot)
2. Ric Flair vs Steamer, Chi Town Rumble is probably my personal favorite of the matches they had together.
3. Bret Hart vs Steve Austin, Wrestlemania 13
4. Kobashi vs Misawa, AJPW 10/25/95. Just like Lion said, it's likely on just about anyone's list.
5. Savage vs Steamer, Wrestlemania 3. The only reason this makes my list is because it's one of a few matches that was great, and showed that the IC belt was worth something in those days.


I'll come up with 5 more later.

[CogitoErgoFlair]

:cool:

1. Flair v Steamboat II (1989): The 2nd in the famous triology which went 57 minutes when Steamboat took the 3rd and deciding fall.

2. Royal Rumble 1992: Flair defeats the WWF Hall of Fame.

3. Kiniski v Thesz, 1966, St Louis: Gene Kiniski finally takes NWA title and holds it for 3 years.

4. Piper v Greg Valentine, "Dog Collar Match": Turns into a real shoot with real blood and Piper suffering a punctured ear drum.

5. HBK v Bret Hart, 1997, "Montreal Screwjob": Hart taps when HBK applies Harts own Sharpshooter which Hart then cries about and splits to WCW.

I can only do 5 right now.:o I was kidding about #5, but I do think Bret deserved it.

[''Powdernose'' Tully Blanchard]

About number 3... You've seen this match in it's entirity?